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Many thanks to SWLing Post contributor, Carlos Latuff, who shares the photo above of the
radio beacon at the Brazilian Navy in Tramandai, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil.
What a gorgeous photo, Carlos!
Can anyone identify that antenna configuration?
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13 thoughts on “Brazilian Navy’s beacon antenna”
Ancient Alien
No, no, you’re all wrong. It’s a giant spider web built by huge, hairy spiders that were irradiated by atomic bomb tests in the Amazon jungle in the 1950s!
I beg to differ on this and suggest that rather than a LF/MF antenna it is actually a Conifan antenna and much used by the Military for HF on 2 – 30 MHz.
Marconi Antennas marketed them and the link is here
Yeah, it’s an umbrella, which in turn is a very elaborate (and usually HEAVY) capacitance hat. They must get a lot of wind there and / or be running a lot of power to go that route instead of making the vertical element (the tower AKA “stick” in AM / MW broadcast parlance) taller.
Most lower-power NDB’s use the much simpler Marconi-T which is the Umbrella’s predecessor & works the same other than less capacitive reactance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-antenna
The Umbrella was invented later. For the “new” ham radio bands 630m / 475 KHz and 2,200m / 137 KHz, most hams use T’s as a ladder-line fed horizontal 160m dipole can be easily repurposed into a T-vertical by tying the ladder line wires together at the radio / tuner: here the feed line becomes the vertical radiating element and the dipole legs become the T cap hat. Richer hams can afford to go the full umbrella route.
Finally, this picture reminded me of DX Engineering’s Thunderbolt 160m vertical:
From what I see, the wires create an electrically “thick” monopole antenna: If you look carefully, you see wires from the top, to a support line and back to the bottom of the mast. For a capacitor hat you would try to put the wires on top as far away from the mast as possible.
For further investigations, you would need some idea of the operating frequencies. A marine beacon would change its frequency according to the shortwave conditions, therefore the need for a “thick” antenna. This is even more valid if the beacon hops over several bands as the stations of the International Beacon Project do. See https://www.ncdxf.org
The International Beacons Project uses standard multi-band ham radio antennas that often rely on harmonic frequencies. You could not do this for the marine bands.
Because all the guy wires use insulators, the tower itself is isolated from the ground and acts as a driven element. The complex web is probably a combination of capacitance hat and additional guying.
Gosh, I should have searched too. Turns out I was right! I was also thinking LF or VLF. The Brazilian Navy has a fleet of subs, so this would make perfect sense.
same here. i actually live close to 3. curious enough, the closest to me i cant catch xD the other 2 at 20+km from my QTH i listen to them even at noon.
No, no, you’re all wrong. It’s a giant spider web built by huge, hairy spiders that were irradiated by atomic bomb tests in the Amazon jungle in the 1950s!
Hi All,
I beg to differ on this and suggest that rather than a LF/MF antenna it is actually a Conifan antenna and much used by the Military for HF on 2 – 30 MHz.
Marconi Antennas marketed them and the link is here
https://themarconifamily.pbworks.com/w/file/fetch/136387842/Broadcast%20%26%20Comm.%20Antenna%20Systems.pdf
There are examples in the UK at former Royal navy radio stations including Inskip.
Yeah, it’s an umbrella, which in turn is a very elaborate (and usually HEAVY) capacitance hat. They must get a lot of wind there and / or be running a lot of power to go that route instead of making the vertical element (the tower AKA “stick” in AM / MW broadcast parlance) taller.
Most lower-power NDB’s use the much simpler Marconi-T which is the Umbrella’s predecessor & works the same other than less capacitive reactance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-antenna
The Umbrella was invented later. For the “new” ham radio bands 630m / 475 KHz and 2,200m / 137 KHz, most hams use T’s as a ladder-line fed horizontal 160m dipole can be easily repurposed into a T-vertical by tying the ladder line wires together at the radio / tuner: here the feed line becomes the vertical radiating element and the dipole legs become the T cap hat. Richer hams can afford to go the full umbrella route.
Finally, this picture reminded me of DX Engineering’s Thunderbolt 160m vertical:
https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-160va-1
Smaller due to higher freq band but electrically identical.
Beautiful shot, Carlão!!!
From what I see, the wires create an electrically “thick” monopole antenna: If you look carefully, you see wires from the top, to a support line and back to the bottom of the mast. For a capacitor hat you would try to put the wires on top as far away from the mast as possible.
For further investigations, you would need some idea of the operating frequencies. A marine beacon would change its frequency according to the shortwave conditions, therefore the need for a “thick” antenna. This is even more valid if the beacon hops over several bands as the stations of the International Beacon Project do. See https://www.ncdxf.org
The International Beacons Project uses standard multi-band ham radio antennas that often rely on harmonic frequencies. You could not do this for the marine bands.
I think that they could use a few more gut wires,maybe
For current operating VLF communications transmitters for underwater submarines https://www.raytheon.com/au/capabilities/mission-systems
https://www.navy-radio.com/xmtrs/vlf/holt-ant-01.JPG this aerial can be folded down of cyclones (Hurricanes)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Communication_Station_Harold_E._Holt
http://www.navy-radio.com/commsta/holt.htm
Harold E Holt was an Australian Prime Minister who was drowned off a Cheviot Beach Victoria.
Because all the guy wires use insulators, the tower itself is isolated from the ground and acts as a driven element. The complex web is probably a combination of capacitance hat and additional guying.
Probably this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbrella_antenna
Gosh, I should have searched too. Turns out I was right! I was also thinking LF or VLF. The Brazilian Navy has a fleet of subs, so this would make perfect sense.
Unfortunately, these NDBs have been decomissioned and few remain today. I live not very far from this NDB. It transmits on 300kHz.
same here. i actually live close to 3. curious enough, the closest to me i cant catch xD the other 2 at 20+km from my QTH i listen to them even at noon.
It’s a top loaded vertical antenna.